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Caine Road re-numbering

From time to time we struggle to work out a building's location on Caine Road, because the houses were re-numbered several times. eg look at the thread about Buxey Lodge. It quotes a piece of PRO research that says street numbers changed in 1903, and again "around 1934". Looking at some of the maps we have, we can check the numbers as follows:

Here are some examples from recent discussions:
Inland Lot numberPre-1903 house number1903-1934 house number1934-present house numberNotes
North side of road
101 (partial)1933851897 map shows terrace of four houses, 19, 21, 23, 25.
94314799Buxey Lodge
South side of road
151163450Douglas Villa

Regards, David

Forum: 

Present Present 15th May 1925 15th May 1925 15th May 1925 9th Oct 1908 9th Oct 1908 9th Oct 1908 17th Feb 1903 17th Feb 1903 17th Feb 1903 9th Jun 1898 9th Jun 1898 1st Mar 1883 1st Mar 1883 1st March 1883
                               
Number Building Name New Number Old Number Notes New Number Old Number Notes/Lot No. New Number Old Number Notes/Lot No. New Number Old Number New Number Old Number Notes
                               
1   1 1A                        
3   3 1B                        
5 5A & B Botanical Court 5 1C                        
7 Belmount Garden 7 - Back to Caine, front to Arbuthnot                      
9 Belmount Garden 9 - Back to Caine, front to Arbuthnot                      
11 Caritas Francis Hsu College 11 1               1 Back of 13 Arbuthnot Rd      
13 Yuen Ming Building 13 3               3 Back of 11 Arbuthnot Rd      
15 Yuen Ming Building 15 -                        
17 Cordial Mansion 17 5               5 1      
19 Cordial Mansion 19 7               7 3      
21 Avon Court 21 9               9 5      
23 Avon Court 23 9A                        
25 25-27 Caine Road 25 9B                        
27 25-27 Caine Road 27 9C                        
29 Fan Hing Building 29 11               11 7      
31 Fan Hing Building 31 11A   11A Formerly Stable                  
33 Le Caine Mansion 33 11B   (1st June 1904)                    
35 Le Caine Mansion 35 13 IL68 D &C Under Construction             13 7A      
37 Le Caine Mansion 37 15 IL68 D &C Under Construction             15 7B      
39 39-41 Caine Road (Bo Yuen Building) 39 17         17 New House IL 69 & 68 17 9      
41 39-41 Caine Road (Bo Yuen Building) 41 19         19 New House IL 69          
43   43 21         21 New House IL 69          
45 Tin Po Court 45 23         23 New House IL 69          
                               
Old Bailey St   Old Bailey St     Old Bailey St     Old Bailey St     Old Bailey St   Old Bailey St    
Elgin St   Elgin St     Elgin St     Elgin St     Elgin St   Elgin St    
                               
47 47A-47B Caine Road 47 23A                        
49 49 Caine Road (Ho Kin Building) 49 23B                        
51 51-53 Caine Road 51 23C                        
53 51-53 Caine Road 53 25         25 - Elgin Villa 19 IL 126 19 11      
55 55 Caine Road 55 25A                        
57 57 Caine Road (Cheong Ngar Court) 57 25B                        
59 59 Caine Road 59 25C                        
                               
Shelley St   Shelley St     Shelley St     Shelley St     Shelley St   Shelley St    
                               
61 Ichang House 61 27         27 - Kingsclere, Glenwood 21 IL123 21 13      
63 Cameo Court 63 27A                        
65 Cameo Court 65 27B                        
67 Cameo Court 67 27C                        
69 Cameo Court 69 27D                        
71 Ideal House 71 27E                        
73 73-73E Feng Fong Building 73 29         29 23 IL122 &120 23 15 15 3A  
75 Honor Villa 75 31         31 25 IL122 &120 25 17 17 3B  
77 77-79 Caine Road 77 31A Tutorial Institute 31A New House                  
79 77-79 Caine Road       (1st June 1904)                    
                               
Peel St   Peel St     Peel St     Peel St     Peel St   Peel St    
                               
81                              
83                              
85 Kwong Fook Building 85 33         33 27 IL1086 27 19      
87 87 Caine Road 87 35         35 29 IL1086 29 21      
89 89 Caine Road 89 37         37 31 IL1086 31 23      
91 (89-91 Caine Road) 91 39         39 33 IL1086 33 25      
93 Corona Tower 93 41         41 35 &37 IL100 35 27      
95 Flora Court 95 43         43 35 &37 IL100 37 29      
97 St Margaret's Girls' College 97 45         45 35 &37 IL100          
                               
Aberdeen St   Aberdeen St     Aberdeen St     Aberdeen St     Aberdeen St   Aberdeen St    
                               
99 Albron Court 99 47         47 - Buxey Lodge 39 IL94 39 31 31 19  
101                              
103                              
105                              
107 Cherry Court 107 47A                        
109 Cherry Court 109 47B                        
111 111 Caine Road 111 49         49 - Forest Lodge 41 IL157 41 33 33 21  
113 113 Caine Road 113 49A                        
115   115 49B                        
117 Casa Bella 117 51A                        
                               
Shing Wong St   Shing Wong St     Shing Wong St     Shing Wong St     Shing Wong St   Shing Wong St    
                               
119 Kam Kin Mansions 119 51                        
121 Kam Kin Mansions 121 53                        
123 Kam Kin Mansions 123 55                        
125 Kam Kin Mansions 125 57                        
127 127 Caine Road 127 59   59 51 IL 423 51 - Dinder 43 IL423 43 35 35 23  
129 Tai Shing Building 129 61   61 51 IL 423 & 523                
131 Tai Shing Building 131 63   63 51 IL 423 & 523                
133 Tai Shing Building 133 65   65 51 IL 523                
135 Golden Valley Mansions 135 65A                        
137 Golden Valley Mansions 137 65B                        
139 Kin Yuen Mansions 139 67   67 53 IL 574 53 45 IL574 45 37 37 23A  
141 Caravan Court 141 69   69 55 IL 574           39 23B (part of Caine Lane?)
143 Caravan Court 143 71   71 57 IL 574                
145 Caravan Court 145 73   73 59 IL 573                
147 147-151 Caine Road 147 75   75 61 IL 573                
149 147-151 Caine Road                            
151 147-151 Caine Road                            
                               
Ladder St   Ladder St     Ladder St     Ladder St     Ladder St   Ladder St    


 

Present Present 15th May 1925 15th May 1925 15th May 1925 17th Feb 1903 17th Feb 1903 17th Feb 1903 19th Jan 1900 19th Jan 1900 9th June 1898 9th June 1898 1st Mar 1883 1st Mar 1883
                           
Number Name New Number Old Number Notes New Number Old Number Notes New Number Old Number New Number Old Number New Number Old Number
                           
                           
                           
2 Caritas House 2 2             2 New House    
4 Caritas House 4 4             4 New House    
6 Caritas House 6 6             6 New House    
8 Caritas House 8 8A                    
10   10 - Three new houses facing steps leading to RC Cathedral                  
12   12 - Three new houses facing steps leading to RC Cathedral                  
14   14 - Three new houses facing steps leading to RC Cathedral                  
16 Cathedral Diocese Centre 16 8             8 2    
18 Grand Court 18 10             10 New House    
20 20A-21 Caine Road 20 12             12 New House    
22 Caine Building 22 14             14 New House    
24 24-24A Long Mansion 24 16             16 New House    
                           
    Lane                      
                    18 8    
26 Sacred Heart Canossian School 26 18   18 New House IL 148            
28 Dragon Court 28 20   20 New House IL 148            
30   30 22   22 New House IL 148            
32   32 24   24 New House IL 148            
34 Sacred Heart Canossian College 34 26   26 New House IL 148            
36 Sacred Heart Canossian College 36 28 Italian Convent 28 20 IL147,148,578 &58     20 10 10 8
38 Gramercy 38 28A                    
40   40 30   30 22 IL150     22 12    
42   42 30A                    
44   44 32   32 24 IL150     24 14 14 10
46 Scenic Rise Entrance 46 32A                    
48 48 Caine Road 48 32B                    
                           
Shelley St   Shelley St Shelley St   Shelley St     Shelley St   Shelley St   Shelley St  
                           
    Church Church                    
50 Hong Kong Baptist Church 50 34A Priest's Quarters 34 26 IL151 &152A     26 16    
52   52 34B                    
54   54 34C                    
56   56 34D                    
58 Midland Court 58 34E                    
60 Midland Court 60 36   36 28 IL152A     28 18    
62 Midland Court 62 38   38 30 IL152A     30 20    
64   64 40   40 32 IL1405 32 32 32 Old Police Station    
66 Golden Pavillion 66 42   42 32A IL1405 32A 32        
68   68 44   44 34 IL604 & 504     34 22    
                           
Peel St   Peel St                      
                           
                           
80 Caine Mansion 80-90 - New Block of flats                  
82 Caine Mansion                        
84 Caine Mansion                        
86 Caine Mansion                        
88                          
90                          
                           
Castle Road   Castle Road     Castle Road     Castle Road   Castle Road   Castle Road  
                           
92 Alassio 92-106 - West Terrace No. 1-8                  
  Alassio 108 - Unnumbered House                  
110 On Fung Building 110 - New House                  
112 On Fung Building 112 46   46 36 IL424     36 24 24 22
114 On Fung Building 114 48   48 36 IL424            
116 On Fung Building 116 50   50 36 IL424            
118 On Fung Building 118 52   53 36 IL424            
120 Sussex Court 120 54   54 36 IL424            
122   122 56   56 36 IL424            
124 124 Caine Road 124 58   58 36 IL424            
126 Chatswood Villa 126 60   60 36 IL424            
128 Caineway Mansion 128 62   ... 38 IL522     38 26 26 24
130 Caineway Mansion 130 64   64 38 IL522            
132 Caineway Mansion 132 66   66 38 IL522            
134 134 Caine Road 134 68   68 38 IL522            
136 Jadestone Court 136 70   70 38 IL522            
138 Jadestone Court 138 72   72 38 IL522            
140 Argenta? 140 74   74 40 IL522     ... Space for New House    
144 144 Caine Road       76 42 IL1375     42 28 28 26
                           
  Caine Road Garden 142 80 Police Quarters - 3 Blocks                  
  Caine Road Garden 144 82 Police Quarters - 3 Blocks                  
  Caine Road Garden 146 86 Police Quarters - 3 Blocks                  
                           
Seymour Road   Seymour Road     Seymour Road     Seymour Road   Seymour Road   Seymour Road  

Pasting tables into the website often has odd effects. If you want to fit the table into the width of the page (example below), you can click the "Source" button at the top-left of the editor, and delete the lines     <colgroup>,  </colgroup> and any lines between them. But I wouldn't worry too much, the table as you've pasted it is still clear to see, and very useful as it is.

  Odd Numbers       Even Numbers  
Old Number New Number Lot Number   Old Number New Number Lot Number
             
New House 17 IL 69 & 68   New House 18 IL 148

Thanks David, I have edited the table and it looks much better

The bad news is that they changed the numbers on Caine Road (and lots of other streets) regularly in the period 1890- WW1. It seems that almost every time a new house was build, all the numbers above the new building changed. The postmans job must have been a nightmare! 

 

Once I have the full set I will post them here but in the meantime don't rely on the above being complete. 

 

 

I have posted all the renumbering I have from 1883 to present for Caine Road. It looks correct to me but please comment if you see any mistakes or know the names of any of the buildings that were at the above numbers/lots

Thanks for pulling this information together, it is a very useful resource.

Regards, David

The Rate Book record of the odd-numbered houses 1-47 Caine Road for 1905-1909 gives only two named houses: no. 25 is Elgin Villa, credited to Linstead & Davies; no. 27 is Glenwood, credited to E.R. Belilos.

Jill

Thanks for the information Jill

I have created a place for Elgin Villa here

Interestingly the location of Glenwood in 1901 was called Kingsclere. A new Kingsclere was opened between 1901-1905 on Kennedy Road here also owned by E R Belios, so it seems the old family home on Caine Road was renamed Glenwood between 1901 to 1905

Are the historical rate books available anywhere online?

 

Alas, the Rate Books are not online. They can only be consulted at the PRO. It would take a lot of man hours to scan them.

I see that E.R. Belilios died in London on 11 November 1905. Looking closer, although the Rate Book for 1905-06 records him as the rate payer of no. 27 for that year. The 'R' of his initials is deleted for 1906-07 and then R.E. Belilios (Exec.) is recorded for 1907-09. Raphael Emanuel was the son of Emanuel Raphael. I wonder if the name change of the house had anything to do with Emanuel Raphael's death. I haven't seen the earlier records.

Jill